Minutes:
Councillor Cowling, Leader of the Council, presented the following statement:
"We have a very full agenda tonight so I do not intend to make a long statement.
I attended the Leaders meeting of Local Government for North Yorkshire and York on March 11th. The major item on the agenda was the progress on a devolution deal for York, North Yorkshire and East Riding of Yorkshire. The possibility of the inclusion of Hull in the deal was also discussed. The same presentation was given to Members of our Policy and Resources committee on the 31st March by James Farrar – the CEO of our LEP. That power point presentation has been circulated to all Members for information. This topic features on our agenda tonight – if after that Members feel that a further presentation would be useful, then we can arrange a Member Briefing on the subject.
On Tuesday of last week, along with other local representatives, I met the Chairman of the National Flood Resilience Review and the Chief Executive of the Environment Agency at the flood defences in Pickering. We were able to put various points about the way forward to continue to improve flood protection in our district. The slowing the flow project continues to generate a lot of interest nationally. It was a great opportunity for us to push for support to roll out the wider Derwent catchment scheme and promote the excellent community and partnership work this project has delivered. Undoubtedly this scheme has helped businesses in Pickering to thrive and the project has been a superb example of what this council can do to help grow the economy in our district.
Our transformation programme is underway and we are working Towards 2020, (this is referred to as the mandate for change). The purpose of the transformation is to build on what we have achieved, work through the financial reductions and changes to Local Government funding in order to create a viable authority for the future which can deliver the services the residents of Ryedale need, now and in the future. Some of the decisions we will make tonight are a part of that process and are necessary to deliver the transformation.
So, back to our agenda which is has a great emphasis on economic growth. The range of the work we can deliver is well illustrated in the items we shall be discussing tonight . From the community grants that we give, through Ryedale’s Economic Action Plan to the even wider concept of the Northern Power House and the part we shall play in that through a Combined Authority.
Finally I would like to add my congratulations to Les Chapman. Les has been the driving force in the North Yorkshire Building Control Partnership for 15 years. Without his vision it would not be the brilliant organisation that it is now."
The following questions were received on the Leader's Statement:
1. From Councillor Potter
"I think it is worth noting that yesterday the Slowing the Flow Partnership put an official report to approve that the flood defences above Pickering were effective on Boxing Day, so that's actually quite a significant relevance to both Pickering, that the fact that it definitely did protect Pickering from flooding, and that it is also evidence that this District Council funding was well worthwhile and that's a little bit of the money that was spent, and it is also significant for a lot more communities around the Country, I would rather hope it will be anyway".
The Leader replied:
"I think what we saw as residents in Pickering was that it worked undoubtedly, what I thought, it was nice to see that they agreed with us officially."
2. From Councillor Paul Andrews
"The Leader talks about rolling out the Derwent Catchment Plan. Now I have been aware of more than one Derwent Catchment Plan and the one Derwent Catchment Plan that I have a great issue with is the River Derwent Catchment Flood Management Plan now the emphasis that I would put on that title is the word management as opposed to prevention, it has a lot in it as she knows, the taking down of flood defences and allowing the river to return to its natural flood plain. Now we have been through all this before so I would like the Leader to tell me exactly what she is referring to and I am hoping she is not going to say that it's the Flood Management Plan and I hoping that she will be able to give some assurance that the Flood Management Plan is not the one which the Council is supporting because of the iniquitous proposal in regard to taking down flood defences".
The Leader replied:
"I wasn't referring to any particular plan, what I was referring to was an overall scheme which is yet to be identified, what we are hoping will come out of this review that is being carried is some funding to allow us to continue and try and improve flood management, further down I can't say how that will be, I am sure farmers would have a lot to say about their land being flooded."
Councillor Paul Andrews then asked the following supplementary question:
"The Leader refers to Flood Management, can she please confirm that she will be entrusted in perusing flood defences as opposed to flood management?"
The Leader then replied:
"For me flood management is flood prevention."
3. From Councillor Ives
"I note that in his statement, Cllr Potter's question, he eluded to the £950,000 grant that this Council contributed to the Slow the Flow Scheme, which note was a Conservative controlled Council that agreed that grant, does the Council Leader agree with me that that grant was only made possible through the sound financial management that this Conservative Group had at the Council at that time and that if another group was in charge which was it a bit more profligate with the spending it may not have been possible?"
The Leader replied:
"Like a lot of other things that have happened in the time that Conservative have been in control of this Council they have been made possible by the sound financial management of this group."
4. From Councillor Burr
"As the Leader of the Council you are very aware that Fracking is a serious subject within Ryedale and of interest to many residents. At the March Planning Committee myself and Councillor Farnell proposed astrong letter of objection to be sent to NYCC on behalf of this Council and I do think that this was a unanimous decision, forgive if I am wrong but I think it was nearly unanimous. So in recent light of the statement made by the Environment Agency to say that a licence has been granted to Third Energy is concerning and worrying and confusing, to residents could you report to us and residents the implications of the Environment Agency's statement to just help everyone to understand this?"
The Leader replied:
"I understand the decision wasn't totally unanimous but nevertheless it was a strong, it was 7 for that's quite a strong majority. The position on fracking of this Council has been reported to NYCC sometime in March I believe and I think we are all aware that the application was not supported. I don't think there will be anybody in this room who didn't know that, you are right there has been some confusion as I have been approached by several people over the last few days who said the fracking has been given planning permission and I had to say no it hasn't and they say what's all this that's been on the radio then and what has actuallybeen granted is a Environmental Permit and an Environmental Permit simply says that the Environment Agency believe that all the measures are in place which allow fracking to take place safely, however fracking cannot take place until planning permission is granted and that grant of permission would be by North Yorkshire County Council, there is a lot of confusion and I hope that clarifies the situation it was Environment Permit that was granted not planning permission."
Councillor Burr then asked the following supplementary question:
"Isn't that rather disappointing, that a government agency has issued this licence prior to the County Council's decision that's a little disappointing?"
The Leader then replied:
"Whilst it maybe disappointing it is normal practice Environmental Permits are often issued prior to planning permission being granted."
5. From Councillor Clark
"I would like to ask the Leader a question in relation to sound finances, does she not agree with me that the finances could have been a little more appropriate and sound, if having the bulk of the capital that came from the sale of Council houses, not to anybody's clever handling and management and a great chunk of that was used to build a small motorway so that as to reduce the pollution in Norton and Malton which eventually maybe one day, before long, we will get around too, some was spent on buying a building that we don't seem to need, some was squandered on Wentworth Street car park and now we are in the position that there is none of that capital left so there is nothing there to put into affordable housing, I don't want to be too negative but would it not have been possible to have used some of the money that came from housing for housing before we start crowing about how well we have managed the funds?"
The Leader replied:
"Actually I have no doubt John that you remember as well as I do that the sale of the Council housing allowed this Council to reinvest that money time after time again in housing and it was like magic money because you kept getting it back, unfortunately that isn't the case nowadays. The motorway that you refer that we built I think anybody who supports the economy in Ryedale cannot help but agree that will benefit. I think that was looking into the future it was a really good move and it will benefit the whole of Ryedale We bought a building that we don't need, that's a matter of opinion and the cost of Wentworth Street Car Park I have said it before and I will say it again, yes the costs were regrettable and what I don't like and what I don't agree with is the way it keeps being reported and that some political groups like to keep saying that it's a cost of £1.5 or is it £1.4 million that you keep trotting out and actually included in that is the cost of the building that you refer to, is that magic money too?"
Councillor Clark then asked the following supplementary question:
"I have never mentioned a million or £1.5 million so I know not to whom she refers but as for the motorway the main driving reason given for that was to reduce the traffic and the pollution at Butcher Corner what it developed into was, oh dear, won't it be in the future good for the economy of Ryedale, that's not the reason we were sold it in the first place. She still hasn't answered my question does she not think that it would have been a good idea because when the magic money stopped capital has disappeared and none of it brings into housing, does she not think affordable housing would have been better than carrying on polluting the people in Malton, wasting in excess of half a million my figure, or has she got some other thoughts on the matter?"
The Leader then replied:
"It was a multi stranded reason for building the Brambling Fields Junction, air quality being a main driving factor, also the economy was very important to us. I think you also know John exactly how important affordable homes are to me and that I have looked at all sorts of way of trying to deliver and it's no good you pretending that we have no money because we do have money in our New Homes Bonus."
6. From Councillor Keal
"Does the Leader remember who actually proposed the funding towards the Pickering Flood defences and which party that was because my view is that in order for this Council to achieve anything there were some subjects that rise above party politics, flooding being one of them, Fracking being one of them and there are others, and we should stop revisiting history and actually and look to the future which I hope my motion this evening will do."
The Leader replied:
"If my memory serves me correctly either you or your husband
7. From Councillor Burr
"I just wanted to bring up the proposed weight restriction consultation papers, it's relevant tonight because the papers are actually on your desk or have been sent out by e-mail, I aren't sure if all members are aware on Tuesday night at the Planning Committee we voted unanimously to support to 7.5 tonne weight restriction of heavy lorries in central highways network of Malton and Norton and this request came from the area committee myself as NYCC Member, Cllr Shields, Cllr Sanderson, Cllr Goodrick it was agreed from the Area Committee that it had actually come down and we all agreed to support that at the Planning Committee so it is prudent that I ask this question and in doing so the ban was going to improve the air quality of Butcher Corner and Castlegate which is the worst polluted corner in Ryedale, and in addition we talked about the safety aspects and the pushchairs and the buggies and the cyclists and the people walking up and down Malton, so we had a very very thorough debate at the planning, so as Leader of Council could I ask if we could have maybe your support for us sending that up to Richard Marr at County Council?"
The Leader replied:
"Yes".
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